The Journey to Healing - From Survivor to Founder

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Rose Holley, Founder 

Hope for the Journey 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to the Purpose and the Pivot, the podcast for women who know it's time for more. With your host, C. Renee McLean, career and life coach and champion for women navigating change with confidence and clarity. Each week we'll have real conversations about career moves, life transitions, mindset shifts, and the power of redefining your purpose at every stage of life. Whether you're pivoting professionally, personally, or both, this is your space for guidance, growth, and grounded support. Let's dive in.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Welcome to The Purpose and the Pivot. Today's episode is The Journey to Healing from Survivor to Founder. And we have a special guest with us today, none other than Rose Hawley. Everybody, welcome, Rose Hawley. Yes, yes, yes. So, Rose, um, we want to talk to you about your journey to healing from survivor to founder. And um, give us your full name, Rose. Um, my name is Rosie Hawley. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

And what is your current title? I'm the founder and the president of Hope for the Journey, a not a nonprofit organization that assists women before, during, and after the journey of a diagnosis of cancer and their families.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Okay, great, great. And we're gonna have uh Rose's um she goes by she goes by Rosie. Um, she also goes by Rose. I call her Rose. Um, and so we're gonna have her information in the show notes. Um, any information uh that she would like to share with us, whether it's the website, uh any social media, we'll share all of that information in the show notes. Um, so you'll be able to see it there. So let's go ahead and get started. Let's get into this. So, how would you describe yourself beyond your professional title, Rose?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Well, number one, I'm I love Jesus. I'm a Christian, so I you know I serve the Lord. I'm in a church great. I attend West Ridge Church in Hyron, Georgia, around a and I have a wonderful group of women that uh we do life together in our Bible study. We do life. I love that. I'm grandmother, I love that I have three sons, so that's what I do beyond that. And I walk, I like to exercise and walk and read. So that's one of the things I do beyond uh this.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Okay, and um you mentioned those grandbabies. Uh, what is the the most passion? What are you most passionate about right now in this season of life? Is it those grandbabies?

SPEAKER_02 2:58

It's my grandbabies because you know I raised three sons, so I have two little granddaughters, one five and one is a four-month-old. And they just enjoy my life right now. I still I get to live with one of them, the four-month-old, and I just love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Amen. Amen. So, Rose, let's get into the cancer journey. Uh, can you briefly share your diagnosis story? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Um, I at the age of 43, I was diagnosed with uh breast cancer. Now I'm a two-time breast cancer survivor. So at that time, I was 43 years old when I had the first diagnosis of breast cancer. And it was at a time in my life when me and my husband, we had planned. We had our kids early in life. So we was in our 40s, so we was becoming emptinesters, you know, we was empty nester and we was ready to do life. Let's do life, let's travel, you know. The boys are grown and they're gone and they're doing their own things. And so I was I was in a good place in life at that time. A good place. And then I then I got the diagnosis of breast cancer. And my mom, my mom had died from breast cancer at the age of six to eight, and my older sister was diagnosed with breast cancer, so it was something I was familiar with, but it's a different when you yourself is diagnosed with cancer. It's a you know you have you go from care caregiver and you take on the journey of your own journey with breast cancer. So I went through um, I I was diagnosed in December of 2023, in 2003, not 2023. In 2003, I was diagnosed. I started um let me back it up some because I found the lump myself. I thought that January of that year, I found the lump myself. I was I was familiar with the different uh the different uh signs of cancer with my mom. I started mammogram alone around like 30, I think it was five years earlier. I started getting my mammogram. So every year I would get my mammogram. My doctor really kept a good check on me because that put me in a high risk zone. So and so, but you know, and she really kept a check on me. And so when I was diagnosed, I went in January to get my uh mammogram. And and I wasn't expecting to, I wasn't expecting to get a diagnosis of breast cancer. Delump wasn't there then. It wasn't there, it came a few months later when I was doing my self-breast, which is always in the breast when it's very important. Do yourself uh self a mammogram, know your breasts. We need to know our breast, what what's been there, what's not there. You know, I have a and I get really rare with this. I got one of my breasts, my nipples are interverted, inverted. So that's been ever since I was a little girl. So I knew that and that could be a sign of cancer, also. But mine was having a and I had um I knew I I have um with uh with that going on, you know, and then I was checking my breast and checking my breasts, and then I found that mom.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Okay. I found yeah, what was your initial reaction, Rose, when you learned that you had breast cancer?

SPEAKER_02 6:10

I don't know. When I went in to see the doctor and they was checking me out, and we kind of knew something was wrong. They was doing all the checking, the doctor and the PA they gave each other this look. Now, before that, I was a CNA, so I took people back. I I went with my clients back and forth to the doctors, so I know when they looked at each other, I said, This ain't good. Okay, I knew this ain't good, and back then you had to wait on your results and everything. So the thing was waiting on the results, they did all the boxy, they did all of that, and then you had to wait a while. It's not like it is today. Okay, I I I had to wait, and then the doctor called me up and she called me back in, and uh, they call you back into the office back then. So they called me up, they didn't give me tell me what was going on over the phone, and they said you got the results of the test. Can you come back into the office? Uh, they made my appointment. I went back into the office, and then when I walk in, I remember the doctor coming in and she said, Miss Harley, it's cancer, it's cancer. And for me, I think I said I had to think about it for a moment. Okay, and I remember thinking about it, and then I'm like, Okay, so you have say I have cancer. I said, What do I do next? That's what my thing. What do we do next? She likes she said, You sure I've taken this easy, but see, I'm the person, you know, I gave me a diagnosis, I can't change that. Where do we go from? Here's the problem. What are the solutions? And what would be my outcome? That's the kind of way I operated life.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

Okay, that's great. Yeah, I was gonna ask you what what were some of your biggest emotional or mental challenges during that time? That's what it was. It's just like, what do we do next?

SPEAKER_02 7:56

And so the day I was in the doctor's office, I scheduled everything I needed to do. I scheduled my follow-up. We went ahead and scheduled the date of my surgery. She said, Well, do you want you to call your husband? No, I got this, I got this. So I did all of that stuff right then and now because you had gave me a diagnosis, it wasn't changing, so we need to just get out, we need to take care of the problem now. But when I got outside, and then I think everything just came down on me. I called my husband at that time, and we talked, and he talked me down and everything, you know. And so that that's kind of how I have that.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Okay, all right. And what was your treatment journey like, Rose? So after that, I was scheduled for surgery in January.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

I had um I had a uh bright lump acne. I had that, and then I had to go through chemo and radiation therapy, and because then they they they took out 21 of my lymph dose, I had to go into lymphedema therapy, which that caused me to have lymphedema, and I still deal with lymphedema today, but I've learned how to manage that.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Okay, what helped you remain hopeful and and grounded during your treatment?

SPEAKER_02 9:08

So, with that treatment, I was with my husband, and you know, he was in ministry and I had a church family and everything back then, so it was easier then. But you know, I was diagnosed again. 20 years later, I was diagnosed again. I was diagnosed in September 2023 again, exactly 20 years, 20 years from the day I was the first time. So life was different then. Life was totally different because by this time I had a divorce, my boys was grown and on their own, they had their own families and everything. So initially I had to move in from Carrollton where I live, in with my miller son, and I had to live move in there because I didn't want to be alone by myself the second time around. Okay, so I moved in with him, and then I my doctors changed. I went to North Side Atlanta for my treatment at that time. Okay, and and um that was that journey right there, and then at that time, I just because the cancer was different, the breast cancer, but it was a different kind of can't breast cancer. I did, and this is a blessing to me. I had I didn't have to do any chemo or anything like that because that's the one thing I didn't want to do. I wanted to avoid that, and I didn't have to do chemo because my onchetype came back as an eight. The chemo at that time really wouldn't have benefited me.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

So my doctor, my radiation doctor told me we'll do radiation. And my aunt college made the college. She said, Miss Holly, we we're not gonna do uh chemo this time. So I went through four weeks of radiation at Northside Atlanta Radiation Center. High emotionally, that was different for me. Emotionally was I didn't have I didn't have anyone there with me. My sons was there, but it's different from having children and a companion, a totally different thing. It's a totally different thing. So I had to I with my relationship with Jesus, I knew the Lord said, Always be with you. I would never leave you, nor will I forsake you. So with my relationship with the Lord, they took me through that. And I remember one time sitting in the waiting room and I looked around the room with everybody who had people him, you know, and stuff like that, and I was alone. And the Holy Spirit spoke to me, I would never leave you, nor would I forsake you. And that kind of gave me the wish to go forward. Amen. Amen. Made that drive to North Side Atlanta, which was like an hour away over an hour there and back, and okay, it would just, you know, because I knew the Lord was with me, and emotionally that was something I had to deal with because life was different then.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Yeah, yeah. Was there any um, or or let me ask you this um, how how was this experience um in terms of impacting your identity or confidence or your outlook on life? How did that how did this experience affect those things?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Well, my outlook on life changed because everything in my community had changed. Okay, and I realized at that time the Lord with me, let's go, my little Bible study group, ladies of Bible in my Bible study, they just they just stepped in. They stepped in to help me out, they they brought food, they drove me back and forth, helped, they whipped with me back and forth to the doctor if I asked them. They would drive me, especially when during radiation, as it goes on, you get tired and tired. They stepped in to drive me all the way to north side of Atlanta. One of them drove me. She would come pick me up in Dugasfield and she took me over there. And so that was letting the Lord letting me know that He was with me on that journey. Yes, yes, walking with me in my outlook, how it changed that that no matter how hard the situation is, or wherever you are, God will provide someone to be there to walk with you through the journeys alive. It don't have to be counting, it doesn't have to be a divorce or anything like that, and your life changed and the season changed and the community changed. The Lord always has somebody there for you, and that's one thing that I learned. That's that's what one of the big biggest lessons that I learned at that season of my life.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Yeah, yeah, it's interesting that you say that because um we go to word of faith and bishop uh Del C. Bronner, um, one of the things that he says a lot is that uh the answer to any problem is always a person, yeah, you know, and people got yeah, God will always use people uh, you know, to help. It's always a person or people. So um, and that's such a blessing. What did you learn about your resilience uh through this journey, Rose?

SPEAKER_02 13:38

I've learned that you just have to press on, that there's more inside of you because you have to sometimes pull down, dive inside of you, and you have to push yourself. You have to get up and go when you don't want to go, you have to go when there's nobody around, and you just gotta love yourself. And in that season of my life, I had to say, Well, life is different now. I gotta learn, I gotta fight, and I gotta go through this. And I made it to the end of the journey, I made it to the end of that time of my life. So my decision was push forward, do what you need to do for yourself, even when you're wrong and by yourself.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about the creation of Hope for the Journey. What inspired you to create Hope for the Journey?

SPEAKER_02 14:23

Well, it was my first diagnosed with breast cancer. My mom had passed with breast cancer, so it was my first diagnosed with breast cancer. I wanted to create a community where women could be uplifted and they could be supported because no woman should have to face breast cancer alone. When in my in my ministry, a lot of women, I've met women who had nobody. Okay, and I became their sole support, me and the other ladies in the group. So we'll hope for the journey. That's why I wanted to start. I wanted to start something like that. I wanted, I wanted to start that so women could come and we could just like sit and talk. And beyond the beyond the group, we became sisters in the Lord. We talked with each other and we build a community where we can call each other and we can say, hey, this is going on. Can you give me some advice? You know, I think women's need that during the diagnosis. And as you're going through the diagnosis, after the diagnosis, you need someone there.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Because a lot of that changes. Yeah. What is the mission and vision? The mission and vision, excuse me, um, behind the organization.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Well, the vision is we want to create a community that uplifts and supports women's uh going through the journey of breast cancer because no one should have to fight alone. Because that was just part of what I just said, that we create this community. The community consists of women within the group, and then when you're done beyond the group, calling you up, checking on you, and even the family, making sure that you have the resources that you need, are pointing you in the direction you can get the things you need.

unknown 15:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

And the vision and the vision of the ministry is that we support the families and those walking with you along the journey because we know cancer is a family diagnosis. Yeah. When you're diagnosed with cancer, it doesn't matter what kind of cancer you're diagnosed with, everybody in that family life changes. The friends around you, they change. And so the family needs support also. Sometimes they might need counseling. Like we have a chaplain that works with us. Faith, Faith worked with us, she's a chaplain, and she's also a counselor, also. And so if the family life gets too hard, we I can always redirect them to her.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

And so that's one thing, and that's how we support the families also. This because I understand that it it's a family diagnosis.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Everybody's lives have to change within that group. Yeah, no, I agree. I certainly do agree. How has your journey influenced your sense of purpose?

SPEAKER_02 16:56

My journey has given me more track than God, and I'm glad I'm here. I remember walking out one day standing on the porch. I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I'm here. It's helped me to embrace life, that everybody on this earth is privileged to live on this earth and breathe the air that God has given us every day and say, What do I do today? I'm I'm still here. That's a mission. And just to press forward, just to press forward and see see what the end is gonna be. What is life gonna be like? Where am I going from here? What am I doing? That's hope for the journey is I continue for because for two years I had to step down, step aside, and and I told people, I said, I gotta go take care of myself.

unknown 17:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Even as the founding the president, I had to while for two years we kind of we kind of kept silent, and last year we came back, and that was the beginning of me coming back, but I had to take care of myself, and that's one thing you have to remember take care of yourself before you can take care of others and be a light to other people. So that's that was another thing that I learned that you know, just stepping aside and now life looks different. I'm well, I'm healthy.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

So I'm doing well now. Great, that is awesome. That is absolutely awesome, Rose. What has been the most rewarding part of this work uh through Hope for the Journey for you?

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Seeing other women's um other women's go through the journey and they are healed, and they're living their best life, they pick up their life, they go on, they go on and do other things in life, you know, just to see they smile and they resilient in their faces, that's the blessing right there for me. You know, that if I made it through this, and that was a lot of dark days when you're walking on this journey, you have your dark days. But if I made it for me to help someone else and say, hey, you can do this, you can do that. And this is a story I have to tell about one of the ladies, and I remember her, she was taking treatments in Atlanta, somewhere over in Atlanta, and she called me up, and and and I could hear the nurses, the people in the background. They said, Who are you talking to? She said, This is my caregiver I'm talking to. And I had told her to do something, and she went and told the doctor and the nursing to do that. Who told you that? My caregiver told me that. We was on the phone going back and forth, and she was telling the nurse this, you know, the PA this. And I said, Oh, so that gave me joy in my heart that she listened. And they did what she said because we was right, we were right, and they did what she said, you know, and she was happy with that.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Awesome, awesome, yeah. That is awesome to be there, um, you know, for other women that are going through what you've gone through. So you have um firsthand knowledge, you know, of what they're going through. Uh with that said, what do you wish more people understood about supporting someone with breast cancer?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

So, breast cancer can be a lonely journey. As you walk through the treatment process, my major concern is the emotional side. Because emotionally you break down. And people should understand when people are going through the breast cancer, you're remembering the healthy person. You think about the healthy person, but this person has been diagnosed with cancer, and that's a disease, and that's a sickness. They're playing for their life, they don't know what the outcome was going to be. And they'll they're concerned about their family, they're concerned about all the things, and that's and everything. They this concern with them. So emotionally, they're dealing with this outward. They look all well put together and they laughing, but they don't know when they buy themselves in their own. When they stuff run through their mouth. I say emotionally support this person, their moods change up and down, you know. One day you're happy, one day you're down, support that person. Sometimes when they just might want to go along. Sometimes I remember people would call me and I would tell Bruce at the time, I said, Bruce, I just don't feel like talking to anybody today. I said, I get back to them later on, but it's days when you just don't want to talk to anyone. You have to just deal with your emotion. So I say emotionally support the person that you that if they have been diagnosed with cancer in your family, just be part of them and let them know that hey, I'm here. If you need your space, I'm here whenever you want to talk.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Also, so that's that a lot. That's what is emotionally support those people.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Okay, great. Thank you for that, Rose. What would you say to someone that's newly diagnosed?

SPEAKER_02 21:47

I would say for me, it was I needed to know what was going on. And I said, set things harder. If you newly diagnosed, get your support group on it. The biggest. Thing get your support group around you, build your community around you. And if you don't have access to that, then go to a support group meeting and I tell this is the number one thing I tell women you need a support group that you need to attend because family's gonna be there. Family will usually be there for you, but you need to be in a community of women's women's a really good support group who can you ask the question and they can answer. Or you know, you usually have a nurse navigating now, someone who's in the med, they can answer these questions, you know. So I believe support groups are one of the number one important things for women if you're in the right support group. So that's what I would tell them. After you get through the initial diagnosis, you calm down, and and use it women's come after they have surgery, after they have surgery and after their body not here, they start want to reach out to support groups.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

So reach out to your support group. Okay. What encouragement would you give someone struggling um emotionally after treatment?

SPEAKER_02 23:01

I said, you know what? For me, uh during treatment, I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression. For me, I got counseling. I went I went to a professional counselor. That's why we have a professional counselor on our team. Okay. Emotionally, I needed to help. Because I was dealing with so much stuff. Because when you come, when you're diagnosed with cancer, you bring another baggage with you. You have to put that on hold and say, Let me get through this. For me, that's what I did. Let me fight this battle. But the other battles that were before that, I had to fight those too. So all that came down on me. So I got professional counseling. And I say in that, you know, and I can advise people, there's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

A lot of people have mental health issues. Go talk to your counselor. And the one great thing I like about my counselor, I told him I can tell you anything I want to tell you. And you can't tell nobody else. That is awesome. You can talk to them about anything.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

They can't say anything, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

So and get you a good, you know, pray about it and ask God to lead you to a great counselor. And that's that's the one thing I see emotionally. I had to all women don't need that, some just need to go to the support group, right? And they will work with you in the support group. But if you need help beyond the support group, get your professional counseling.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yeah, that counseling can be really good. And like you said, you know, they can't tell anybody, you know, because they're sworn to that confidence. Um, you know, um, and um, so uh, you know, you can just share whatever's on your mind. Um, what message do you hope listeners will take away from your story today, Rose? That there's hope and there's healing.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

And as and and loving the Lord, you know, take Jesus with you on your journey and on those nights when you're along and when you're struggling through those dark days, that the Lord is with you. And there is hope on the other side of the journey of breast cancer.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Amen. Amen. What does healing mean for you today? Healing means me today. I'm happy now.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

I'm happy I'm here with my grandkids. You know, I can go out and support other women, you know. Now that we can we can start back up our group, I can start rebuilding things, you know, reaching back out to women who are going through this journey, helping them along the way. And uh and and oh, this was another thing I wanted to add. If you're not unsure about things, get your second opinion. I always tell women get your second opinion, those who come who are unsure, get a second opinion. And if this doctor said what this doctor said, then you choose the one you want to go to. There's nothing wrong with that, right? Yeah, because you want to be comfortable with your physician, yes, that's important that you're comfortable with the position, you know, because y'all are gonna be on this journey for a long time together. For me, I was blessed to get the same uh on college I had 20 years ago. Wow, same awesome as that. Same on colleges, and and you know, she knows me from that journey, so when she walks into the room, she knows who I am, right? Right, that personal uh touch. Uh-huh. And I may not agree with everything she's saying, she may not agree with me, but but she's the professional guy. I respect her. I respect her. And so, yeah, so that's what I say, you know.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Okay. What are your what are you most grateful for in this season of your life, Rose? For life and health, for my granddaughters and my grandmother. I know you love those great those grandbabies. I see your posts on uh Facebook all the time. So that is awesome. They bring you so much joy. I'm just looking at you right now. This just a smile plastered across your face, those grandbabies.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah, what got me? That's got me. That's my joy right there.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

That's awesome. That's awesome, awesome. So um, as we begin to uh we get ready to close um this um episode, Rose. Um, is there anything specific you'd like to promote um during this episode?

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Yes, um, my uh hope for the journey. We started back up. We meet the third Thursday of no the third Wednesdays of every month. We change that. Um we meet on Wednesday, so we meet virtual on Google Meets. And so if anybody wants to adjourn our support groups, reach out to me. And my number is 770-214-1491. And we have our fall, we have a me, well, we have an event coming up in July. Also, is it's craft and connection with Teresa. It's just a little intimate thing that we're gonna do at the Neva Loman Library in Carrollton, Georgia, and that'll be July the 18th. July the 18, it starts at 12:30. You can reach out to me for that also. And uh, we're gonna do a $10 donation just for lunch because we'll do lunch, it's gonna be a great time. Teresa's great Teresa's a survivor. She I call her Teresa G. I can't pronounce her last name. She said, That's okay. Okay, so she's a great crafter and everything. And in fact, she got our award, our breast cancer awareness, the heroes award last year. And I loved it. She's a great crafter. So this is something she wants to do in giving back. We have Val. Val is uh is a little chef, so she's a pantry chef, so she's gonna do the food for us, some little little dishes, and we're gonna have. I tell everybody, wear your favorite t-shirts and your sparkling tennis shoes. So we're gonna do also since that's what Val likes to do. She likes to serve these little tea, and everybody bring your favorite mug. Okay, limit, but reach out to us, and you can if you come, we invite you to bring someone with you.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Okay, so is this just for cancer uh survivors, or is it also for uh possible caregivers or family members?

SPEAKER_02 29:05

And you can come, and you know you don't just have to have breast cancer. You want to come and germ with us, but we start our events around breast cancer, uh-huh. And so it's connection where you can talk and chit-chat, meet the other ladies there, sip on some tea. And Val is a great chef, so she's gonna have some little sandwiches and little different things you have with the tea. She said that's what she's gonna do. Okay, great. Teresa is a great crafter, so she's really good at what she does. Now that's that's uh July the 18th, and that starts at 12:30. Okay, and then October the 10th, it'll be our annual luncheon in pink, and it's at Miles Hill Venue in um in uh Brumen, Georgia. Okay, and I'm gonna put I'm putting that up, I'm getting ready to promote that also. So it'll be coming out on our website and on our Facebook page.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Okay, great, great. And that's something um my husband and I we attend every year uh that we can. Um, and um we really enjoyed that event. That is your uh biggest uh fundraiser, uh, that one in October each year. Is that correct? Yes, it's our 18th annual fundraising. Wow. We've known each other about 18 years. We've known each other for about 18 years, and you know, it I mean, it's been absolutely wonderful uh, you know, knowing you all this time. We've been uh supporting Rose and Hope for the Journey all this time. It's an absolute awesome organization, guys. And um, we are going to make sure um that you're able to connect with Rose and Hope for the Journey because we're gonna put these events in the show notes. Um, we're gonna put her information so that you can connect with her. She gave her phone number, but we'll put that in the show notes as well because you may have missed it. We're gonna put her website in the show notes. So anyone that wants to connect with Rose and Hope for the Journey will be able to do so. It is an absolute awesome organization that she has been running, as she said, for you know, almost 20 years. And um, she's helped so many different women and their families, um, you know, throughout their their journey um and throughout this uh this time. I mean, so almost two decades. So um, Rose, it has been absolutely awesome uh speaking with you today. And guys, again, the title of this message or this um episode today is The Journey to Healing. And Rose Holly has gone from survivor to founder of Hope for the Journey. And like I said, it is an absolute awesome, awesome, awesome organization. Are there any final words you would like to leave with the audience today, Rose, before we close out this episode?

SPEAKER_02 31:59

I want everyone to know there is hope. There's hope on the other side of the journey. And if you take Jesus with you and walk it out, whatever the outcome, I believe, of your journey, if you're walking with the Lord, there is hope. There's no losing, that's hope. Amen.

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Amen. Well, guys, that is our show for today. Until next time, be encouraged, enlightened, and empowered. I am C. Renee McLean. Thank you for joining us today.

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